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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 30, 2013 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

That is where the subjectivity comes in and I would say that blowing my favorite verse and hacking up the peak solo repeatedly definitely detracts from a version,it doesn't ruin it,but what does it say for a song when one of it's best versions has multiple glaring mistakes.I don't think I'm nitpicking,I certainly am aware that a lot of versions of GD songs that I tout have all kind of clunkers in them,but not versions I consider among the best with hacks in key places of the high points of the song.That being said it all falls back to personal preference and within reason a case can always be made for this versus that.I'm not all that familiar with the 87' Dew in that I don't have it committed to memory,but I thought it was less mistake riddled than usual and I think the big clunker at the end was Weir's doing,but I'm not at all sure.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 30, 2013 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Lyrical missteps always take a version down a notch or 2 in my mind...I can't help it...same with clunky transitions...yeah, the rest of the song may pick up in energy and be quite good, but as long as we're talking "best of" versions, I need an almost completely clean sheet, at least in the execution, which I know narrows the field quite a bit.

A good example is one of my favorite Scarlet>Fires from Lehigh 9/25/81...it's pretty awesome all the way up to Jerry's opening verse in FIRE and then he completely botches the verse & it's just ugly. The rest of the song rocks but I still can't get that initial stumble out of my head to give it a true 5-star recommendation.

Other times I get truly annoyed with what I feel are glaring oversights by reviewers who--well, I just don't know what they're thinking...there are numerous heads who count 6/25/85 as a GREAT Dead show, and every time I listen all I hear is Jerry mumbling his way thru lost lyrics (Row Jimmy), and just a general lack of fluidity and choppy playing to go along with his tired-sounding vocals and the band's lack of cohesion.
But there are 5 stars all over that show. I really don't get it when there is objective evidence of a sloppy show or version and people overlook it b/c it's got "energy" or happens to be part of a "great set list." Please. Give me a well-played "boring" set list over a crap-ass error fest that's a "great set list" any day.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

major clams are just as bad as a muffed lyric,there are so many "almost best versions ever" that have died on the operating table due to a forgotten line or blown guitar part...there are very few versions in my top rankings that have egregious errors...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 30, 2013 2:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

Curious--give me an example of or define "major clam"...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

with regards to the notorious clam, the grateful dead clam takes many forms..from hitting the wrong chord (like Weir in the intro to Terrapin 01-22-78), to clipping notes (ala Garcia in intro Morning Dew 05-08-77), to hitting a sour note (Garcia solo Look Like Rain 04-20-83)...sometimes it can be a group clam...as compared to lyrical blunders, a minor clam, like an "outside" note played during a run in Let It Grow in 06/18-74, can often escape detection, however a major blunder can often put off a sour taste that is hard to make up for...if you notice, all these versions are considered top ranking versions, mostly because other variable factor in that offset the mistakes...09-18-87 morning dew is likely the highest rated most flawed version of anything they played...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Cat Sunflower > Autzen 08/21/93

it seems more forgiveness is given to Garcia's ballads...I don't get all the clams in 08-21, some of the notes I'll give to Jerry as being dissonant or incidental in a distorted rock guitar way...he does foible a few lyrics, but this version ranks high for the effort in the coda and the fanning section in the solo, with the vocal reprise at the end...it lifted the stadium up...

if you want more precision, you'd probably enjoy top 5 versions 12-06-1989 (w/Clarence Clemons) and 12-28-1991...


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